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I get the theory behind the Democrats putting forth as a presidential candidate in 2024 someone besides Joe Biden. But then I look at the practicalities of that actually happening. It's simply too late for a serious candidate to challenge Biden in the primaries. And if he withdrew from running for reelection today, that would still create a messy contest because a goodly number of the deadlines to get on state primary ballots have already passed, so we could see the biggest convention fight in modern times.

It's anyone's guess as to how that would turn out. I've seen some pundits express worries that it could be so bruising that the winner would walk into the general election wounded, a la George McGovern in 1972. But even if folks were on their good behavior and the party quickly coalesced around a consensus candidate like Whitmer, she would likely be at a disadvantage to the Republican nominee in terms of name recognition, campaign organization and fundraising.

Would Whitmer's relative lack of baggage compensate for all of that? Or would the right-wing noise machine take advantage of her not being a known quantity nationally?

The time to be having this discussion was a year ago, when it was still possible for a serious candidate to challenge Biden. He has shown no sign of dropping out, so in the absence of him experiencing a health issue, Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee. Meanwhile, despite Nikki Haley's moment in the sun, her chances of winning the Republican nomination are quite small in the absence of Trump dying or his legal troubles suddenly becoming much more of a negative to Republican voters than they have been so far.

I would agree that we can't keep doing this, but it's hard to see how major reforms would be possible without the Democrats winning the presidency and both houses of Congress in 2024. How can that happen given the teams already on the field?

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Is fusion voting preferable to approval or score voting? I think the latter two might have the same or more effect of reducing polarization (moderate candidates for president would be more likely to win, especially in current conditions, and this includes third party candidates, opening the door for third parties, and when someone you "approved" of or gave a medium score wins, you'll be less likely to resent them). Or should we do both at the same time?

Under fusion voting, who determines which candidates are a part of which parties, the party machines? I imagine every candidate would want their name listed as many times as possible, and that would create ridiculously large lists of candidates, and that seems a bit silly. Unless it was one line per candidate, with that line listing all of that candidate's parties, but that's different than what the infographic showed.

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